Healing Race
Talking about race isn’t always easy. Andre and Todd were college freshman roommates - one black, one white - who spent the first 25 years of knowing each other without ever discussing the topic. So they decided to go deep on the role of race and the state of race relations in the U.S... and to record their conversations so that others could see what a first conversation about race might look like, where no topic is off the table and no views are stifled or censored, but where they always listen, respect, and seek to understand - even and especially when they see things differently. And they are now welcoming guests on to experience that same kind of radical openness, honesty, and empathy. Healing Race is about having the real-deal, don’t-filter-what-you-think conversation about race, and they would love for you to join.
Episodes

Tuesday Jan 14, 2025
Tuesday Jan 14, 2025
Is affirmative action based on race still needed in America, or was the Supreme Court right to remove race as a consideration in college admissions? Are affirmative action and other diversity initiatives fair and important to achieving racial justice, or do they unfairly disadvantage some Americans?
Have White Americans, white men in particular, been blocked from success with policies like affirmative action and DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion)? Is there a victimhood culture in Black and poor America, or do some Americans really have a leg up when it comes to how they are supported to succeed?
Our guests talk about whether factors such as race and class should play a role in giving America more opportunity and reducing inequality.. They also discuss whether the push for greater diversity in companies, schools and governments has put white men at a disadvantage and has led to the political backlash we see in American society.
Does race still play a major role in economic inequalities? Or has “woke” culture led us to see racial biases and racial inequities where there are none (or at least relatively few)? And how should we respond to economic inequality and social alienation in American society, regardless of one's race?

Tuesday Jan 28, 2025
Tuesday Jan 28, 2025
Do Americans care about the race of their political leaders? Or is political ideology a bigger driver of how Americans view their leaders?
How should we resolve our vast America's economic & racial inequalities? Is it government action? community action? repairing the family structure? Is government action problematic because it is captured by corrupt special interests and the influence of big money interests?
Do wealthy families have an unfair advantage of extra resources and time? And is there a victimhood culture in Black and poor America, or do some Americans really have a leg up when it comes to how they are supported to succeed?

Tuesday Feb 04, 2025
Tuesday Feb 04, 2025
Should Americans keep focusing on race to resolve inequalities and injustices, or should we focus more on what unites us as humans and Americans? Should we be ashamed of America, have pride in America, or some mix of both?
Are we too politically and racially tribal? Does focusing on race make us overly tribal? How can we individually take steps to ease the divisions in our country?
Would we feel more trust and less threatened by each other if we didn't give so much power to our President or the federal government, and instead reinforced the checks and balances of our political system?
Our guests talk about what is dividing America, and what can bring us together as Americans, across our political and racial differences. Are we too closed off in our own ideological bubbles? Are we sorting ourselves into ideologically pure communities? Are we too afraid of what's different?
The guests also discuss the possible dangers that AI might bring in how we relate to each other, how we experience the world and what is "real," and how we are treated as Americans?

Sunday Dec 07, 2025
Sunday Dec 07, 2025
Are Black & White Americans socialized to fear each other? Are we taught to segregate from each other because of the stereotypes we learn growing up?
Does cancel culture play a role in preventing Americans from engaging more deeply with one another? Do white Americans hold back because they're too afraid to be called "racist?"
What keeps Americans from integrating more across race?
In this conversation, our guests share their motivations for joining Healing Race to talk about race, and they discuss their experiences living in diverse or non-diverse places and interacting with other Americans across the racial divide. They tell stories of segregation, of being called out as "racist," and of finding a way to engage meaningfully across race, to embrace America's diversity, and to learn from each other.

Sunday Dec 14, 2025
Sunday Dec 14, 2025
What happens when a black woman in the military has her white friend’s mother ask to touch her black curly hair? Are such experiences based in racism or simply based in ignorance and curiosity?
Is White American curiosity about Black people based in a failure to see their humanity, or is it more often just a genuine desire to connect with them as people? Is it understandable for Black Americans to be wary of White people’s interest in their lives and intentions in getting to know them from a concern that their questions are based in - and perhaps trying to confirm - racial stereotypes?
In this conversation, our guests grapple with how to overcome racial divides in how we understand each other as Americans and in who we have in our social networks. How do we overcome racial biases, stereotypes, and prejudices when we're engaged in racial mixing?
How can Black & White Americans be curious about each other without making each other feel defined by our skin color or feel like objects instead of human beings? Are DEI efforts part of the solution to this, or do they exacerbate these issues?
And more generally, is America still racist, or do Black & White Americans just misunderstand each other because our lives are too segregated from one another?

Sunday Dec 21, 2025
Sunday Dec 21, 2025
What happened when white grandparents told their daughter they had a problem with her son having a black girlfriend? What happened when a black girl wasn’t allowed to go to her best friend’s church because she was black?
Are these stories from a bygone era of discrimination? Or are they remnants of our prejudicial history that still remain with us today?
In this conversation, our guests share examples of discrimination they’ve seen or experienced across the black and white divide. They discuss how these experiences of racial bias and discrimination stick with you and impact how you think, feel and behave when it comes to the other race.
The guests also discuss the relationship between black and white women, and how their racial and gender identities play into that relationship.

Sunday Dec 28, 2025
Sunday Dec 28, 2025
What happened when a black girl’s school was integrated, and she was moved from gifted and talented classes to basic classes? What happened when a black girl was bused to a faraway all-white school after attending a more mixed school the year before? What happened when a high school black girl was turned down because she was black when she asked out the white boy who was her close friend? How have these kinds of experiences impacted Black Americans views of white people, and how they move through the world in America?
In this conversation, our guests share and discuss examples of how racial bias has impacted their lives. They also discuss how racial bias plays a role in private sector hiring and what this generally means about the idea of white privilege.

Sunday Jan 04, 2026
Sunday Jan 04, 2026
How do Black Americans balance their experiences of prejudice with their experiences of inclusion when it comes to how they interact with White Americans? Do their negative experiences hold more sway and create caution and wariness, or do their positive experiences lead them to trust others until proven otherwise?
In this conversation, our guests discuss how racial stereotypes can create misunderstandings between Black & White Americans, and how we can stop those misunderstandings from creating conflicts and dividing us from one another. They also discuss how standards of beauty and professionalism have impacted Black Americans, such as how they choose to style their hair.

Sunday Jan 11, 2026
Sunday Jan 11, 2026
Do our racial identities prevent us from getting past racial issues in America? Does calling ourselves “black” and “white” keep us from seeing each other’s humanity and perpetuate the racial divisions and inequities that we aspire to resolve? Should we get rid of the “boxes” we use to categorize ourselves, or is there a way to own those identities and appreciate them all without conflict and division?
In this conversation, our guests discuss how we should navigate racial (and other) differences, they discuss whether these identity labels, or “boxes,” are part of the problem, and they reflect on how we can move forward toward a more integrated country. They also discuss the role that cultural differences, public policies, and politics can play in exacerbating our differences.

Sunday Jan 18, 2026
Sunday Jan 18, 2026
Should racial issues and racial history be taught to American kids in schools? If yes, how should it be taught at different ages? Is critical race theory being taught in schools, or is it a made-up boogie man used to oppose teach about race in history?
Are white children made to feel responsible and guilty for America’s racial wrongs, or are they simply being taught the realities of our racial history? Are they taught to feel fundamentally wrong or racist as a white person? Should we be sensitive to white children’s feelings when it comes to teaching the racial parts of our history, or should we accept their feelings as natural and focus on teaching them what to do with those feelings?
In this conversation, our guests discuss how we should navigate teaching about the role of race in our history and society in America. Do we teach enough about race in history? Should we teach more? Is the example of how Germans teach about the Holocaust and atone for their ancestors sins a model for what should be done in America?
The guests also discuss whether there is a double standard in what black children have to face and learn when it comes to race and what white children have to learn… and the kind of sensitivity that their parents can and do bring to that education process.





